1. Persistent storage, cold boot recovery, App Install Buffer 2. Well, we have encountered quite a number of complaints. And for every CE5 product type we had at least one project where the size was not big enough. 3. It absolutely MUST be increased for all product with Windows CE (it's used less with WM) 4. Unless we bump into p2, the customers are quite happy. But due to limited stoage space we teach them not to store their DATA there - only use it for app persistence. I think if we increase it to 1-2GB, like previous colleagues mentioned, the customers will be quite happy of not dealing with picking and testing for speed/compatibility 3rd party SD cards (and sometimes we're asked why don't we sell SD cards as well).

1) What is a typical customer use case of the Application folder?
Cold/Clean Boot persistence, storing apps and data
2) Is the current size appropriate?As others have stated, memory is cheap, and if the application folder was 2 gig or more, it would in many cases avoid the need to deal with SD cards and their issues. This would be especially helpful on devices that don't have an SD slot, like the WT40X0. We are having storage space issues on even the 128 meg versions of those with some apps.3) Should it be increased or decreased?
Increased
4) Do customers feel that the persistent store does not serve their needs? It is a big advantage, but it would be an even bigger advantage if it were larger..

1) What is a typical customer use case of the Application folder?Applications and data storage2) Is the current size appropriate?No, need more space.3) Should it be increased or decreased?Increased4) Do customers feel that the persistent store does not serve their needs? Huge advantage, some customer prefer not to implement SD cards and would prefer larger internal memory.

1). Cold Boot persistence, application store    2, 3) The current size is too small in many cases and should be increased. With the new OS releases come new features/functionality which in turn requires more native space. We continually sacrifice our available flash space for these updates. 4)We get request for more space and have partners/customers using SD cards to take up the slack adding to the overall TCO. With the price of memory these days and units showing up with much greater capacities it makes sense for us to add more. The availability of on-board flash is a huge competetive advantage according to our partners and customers.

1. cold boot persistance on CE and clean boot persitance on WM Competitive advantage, much better than a "Restore" Toll like it is used by Psion 2. yes 3. leave it as it is 4. application storaged is used in lot of applications or as well usinf this space for golden images Horst

1) What is a typical customer use case of the Application folder?Customer written software and third party applications
2) Is the current size appropriate?Bigger would be better, we have maxed it out.  The current Dot Net CF is 10mb(Can someone talk to MS about this...)
3) Should it be increased or decreased?Increase

4) Do customers feel that the persistent store does not serve their needs?No, they really like it, and it is a huge advantage for us.

Hi Rob, 1) Use case to store data or applications.  See this alot with Field Service and Field Maintenance applications and use this as a secondary backup method. 2) Size Appropriate? NO.  Why lock ourselves out of deals plus memory is cheap so we should be offering 2GB as a minimum.  As we've seen on past DevCentral posting everyone is asking about what is the maximum storage card we can support.  So in my mind there is a need to have higher memory.  Now the customer does not have to go out and purchase additional memory cards into our device or find out that they don't make 1GB cards any more. 3) Increase - YES.  Still have partners that write bad code or have big databases so why jump through all the different hoops to certify so many different cards that come and go. 4)Storage does not fit customers needs? NO, many of my customers use the storage folder plus Memory cards. Cheers, Mark

1) What is a typical customer use case of the Application folder?- cold-boot persistence for registry/cabs/files/autostart2) Is the current size appropriate?- no complains so most probably - yes3) Should it be increased or decreased?- no requests
4) Do customers feel that the persistent store does not serve their needs?- not sure what is the question about... Is it regarding persistence storage vs Application folder and whether we should keep Application partition in future devices?

Rob,  Just to add to Valery's feedback : 1. Super-persistant flash memory (i.e. the Application folder) does give us a competitive advantage and is very useful currently for cold and clean boot persistance. 2 &3. Current size seems to be around 30MB - I would say that this is too small based on the fact that flash memory is very cheap these days and some newer devices on the market such as the HTC6500 have 1GB of on-board flash. I would like to see a minimum of 256MB allocated for Application 4. Persistant storage does meet the customer requirement for persistance of apps/data/settings etc. It could also potentially avoid the need for an SD card to be added to the device if we had 1GB or more available in \Application. Best Regards, Ian Hatton EMb EMEA